Comments on: Just A Quick Note on Frameworks http://blog.james-carr.org/2007/10/03/just-a-quick-note-on-frameworks/ Rants and Musings of an Agile Developer Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:59:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Than Som http://blog.james-carr.org/2007/10/03/just-a-quick-note-on-frameworks/#comment-41055 Than Som Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:30:56 +0000 http://blog.james-carr.org/2007/10/03/just-a-quick-note-on-frameworks/#comment-41055 James is Crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blogger. James is Crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blogger.

]]> By: Chris Sage http://blog.james-carr.org/2007/10/03/just-a-quick-note-on-frameworks/#comment-40253 Chris Sage Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:18:38 +0000 http://blog.james-carr.org/2007/10/03/just-a-quick-note-on-frameworks/#comment-40253 I know you already know this, but you can tell them: It does a few things: * Solution with the least amount of effort (complex models from simple components) * Easy easy dependency injection! Yay! * AOP - makes crosscutting concerns nice and easy, in example with interceptors for logging or security * Spring support for Persistence Frameworks. Man, oh man, does this make me happy since it will plug into Ibatis, Hibernate, JDO, Java Persistence API and supports all those languages with their DAO support modules. No longer do I have to write a bunch of extra support code - and it will close the connections and all that for you! You guys would be able to say goodbye to Kurt's Hibernate manager thing. :) * Those DataSources can be changed with just loading a different file into the context, whether it be getting the datasource from the JDNI, Hibernate Transaction Manager or whatever, it's all transparent. *It can also be used instead of Struts for the MVC I know you already know this, but you can tell them:

It does a few things:

* Solution with the least amount of effort (complex models from simple components)
* Easy easy dependency injection! Yay!
* AOP - makes crosscutting concerns nice and easy, in example with interceptors for logging or security
* Spring support for Persistence Frameworks. Man, oh man, does this make me happy since it will plug into Ibatis, Hibernate, JDO, Java Persistence API and supports all those languages with their DAO support modules. No longer do I have to write a bunch of extra support code - and it will close the connections and all that for you! You guys would be able to say goodbye to Kurt’s Hibernate manager thing. :)
* Those DataSources can be changed with just loading a different file into the context, whether it be getting the datasource from the JDNI, Hibernate Transaction Manager or whatever, it’s all transparent.
*It can also be used instead of Struts for the MVC

]]> By: Erik Weibust http://blog.james-carr.org/2007/10/03/just-a-quick-note-on-frameworks/#comment-33410 Erik Weibust Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:38:29 +0000 http://blog.james-carr.org/2007/10/03/just-a-quick-note-on-frameworks/#comment-33410 Great point. Businesses need a lot of money to throw at a project to afford the time to come up with a better solution then what Spring, Hibernate, and other frameworks provide. Yes, they could then use the homegrown DI or ORM solution in future projects at the company, but they would still have to support/enhance the framework which would cost money. I normally recommend free/open source projects with the logic that if it's a good project, with interest, it will only continue to get better being open. Over time there will be more people testing/debugging/improving an open source framework then what a company could do "in house". Erik Great point. Businesses need a lot of money to throw at a project to afford the time to come up with a better solution then what Spring, Hibernate, and other frameworks provide. Yes, they could then use the homegrown DI or ORM solution in future projects at the company, but they would still have to support/enhance the framework which would cost money.

I normally recommend free/open source projects with the logic that if it’s a good project, with interest, it will only continue to get better being open. Over time there will be more people testing/debugging/improving an open source framework then what a company could do “in house”.

Erik

]]> By: Rick http://blog.james-carr.org/2007/10/03/just-a-quick-note-on-frameworks/#comment-33409 Rick Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:09:26 +0000 http://blog.james-carr.org/2007/10/03/just-a-quick-note-on-frameworks/#comment-33409 I agree completely. While it is probably true that "Any programmer worth their salt would be able to write a simple event handling mechanism.", do you really want to be the programmer who has to write that mechanism again and again and again and again as he/she moves from team to team and firm to firm? Writing it once may well be fun and instructive, but it gets old fast. I sure don't. Spring (and like frameworks) take away the gumpf and alow you to concentrate on the the important (and unique) bit, namely the domain. I agree completely.

While it is probably true that “Any programmer worth their salt would be able to write a simple event handling mechanism.”, do you really want to be the programmer who has to write that mechanism again and again and again and again as he/she moves from team to team and firm to firm? Writing it once may well be fun and instructive, but it gets old fast.

I sure don’t. Spring (and like frameworks) take away the gumpf and alow you to concentrate on the the important (and unique) bit, namely the domain.

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