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	<title>Comments on: How To Not Fit In On A Development Team</title>
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		<title>By: James Carr</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-87650</link>
		<dc:creator>James Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ethan,

Actually your comments about latency brings up a good point. I&#039;ve found that small teams of 4 or so tend to do a lot better than teams of, say, 6 or 8. 

As for &quot;jerk programmers&quot; ... I guess I came off wrong. After all, I do get frustrated when I get paired up with an absolute novice sometimes. But even a team of very smart people need to be able to work well with each other in order to get work done... otherwise you&#039;ll have grudges, &quot;secret rewrite wars&quot;, and other nasty bad attitudes that result in an ineffecient team.

The moral I was trying to get get across (and I think it&#039;s a pretty obvious one) is that if you&#039;re on a team, ANY team, don&#039;t be a dick. If you have issues with incompetence, either remove the incompetent or move to a better team. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ethan,</p>
<p>Actually your comments about latency brings up a good point. I&#8217;ve found that small teams of 4 or so tend to do a lot better than teams of, say, 6 or 8. </p>
<p>As for &#8220;jerk programmers&#8221; &#8230; I guess I came off wrong. After all, I do get frustrated when I get paired up with an absolute novice sometimes. But even a team of very smart people need to be able to work well with each other in order to get work done&#8230; otherwise you&#8217;ll have grudges, &#8220;secret rewrite wars&#8221;, and other nasty bad attitudes that result in an ineffecient team.</p>
<p>The moral I was trying to get get across (and I think it&#8217;s a pretty obvious one) is that if you&#8217;re on a team, ANY team, don&#8217;t be a dick. If you have issues with incompetence, either remove the incompetent or move to a better team. <img src='http://blog.james-carr.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Vizitei</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-87641</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Vizitei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post exemplifies one of the reasons I think I prefer working for small companies when compared to larger ones.  More people seems to be inevitably linked to more time spent on &quot;social&quot; tasks and less time spent achieving things.  I don&#039;t think this is because the people working in large companies are necessarily possessing an inferior skill-set (although by definition, some of them are), but more because each additional node in the network adds a bit of latency to the overall process.  Here I&#039;m going to venture into the world of &quot;opinion&quot; as I say that many of the programmers who seem to be &quot;jerks&quot; are really just frustrated with what they see as insurmountable inefficiency.  Admittedly, they are not coping very well with that feeling when they are taking it out on their teammates.

For anyone who sees a little of themselves in that &quot;jerk&quot; programmer, I&#039;d ask them to give working for a smaller company a try.  They might find it&#039;s a better fit for their personality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post exemplifies one of the reasons I think I prefer working for small companies when compared to larger ones.  More people seems to be inevitably linked to more time spent on &#8220;social&#8221; tasks and less time spent achieving things.  I don&#8217;t think this is because the people working in large companies are necessarily possessing an inferior skill-set (although by definition, some of them are), but more because each additional node in the network adds a bit of latency to the overall process.  Here I&#8217;m going to venture into the world of &#8220;opinion&#8221; as I say that many of the programmers who seem to be &#8220;jerks&#8221; are really just frustrated with what they see as insurmountable inefficiency.  Admittedly, they are not coping very well with that feeling when they are taking it out on their teammates.</p>
<p>For anyone who sees a little of themselves in that &#8220;jerk&#8221; programmer, I&#8217;d ask them to give working for a smaller company a try.  They might find it&#8217;s a better fit for their personality.</p>
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		<title>By: David McReynolds</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-84124</link>
		<dc:creator>David McReynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what if I really am smarter than the people I meet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what if I really am smarter than the people I meet?</p>
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		<title>By: philip andrew</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-83898</link>
		<dc:creator>philip andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that many people are that good.

50% of people are below average.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that many people are that good.</p>
<p>50% of people are below average.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-83878</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, as a manager, will only ask for respect and tolerance in the team. the best skilled programmer will crash the project, if he/she only thinks in 1/0 and not in intra-team complexity. this is not only for programmers, but for all members of a team working on the same project. if i would only focus on what i am paid for, like many programmers do, i would have no fun and definitely no success in my job and with my projects. please programmers: don&#039;t be so proud of talking a language i will never fully understand!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, as a manager, will only ask for respect and tolerance in the team. the best skilled programmer will crash the project, if he/she only thinks in 1/0 and not in intra-team complexity. this is not only for programmers, but for all members of a team working on the same project. if i would only focus on what i am paid for, like many programmers do, i would have no fun and definitely no success in my job and with my projects. please programmers: don&#8217;t be so proud of talking a language i will never fully understand!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-83864</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think respect is the key in any team environment.  The beauty of development is if you are doing it, you will learn new things, like it or not, and it will shape and improve both individual developers and the team.  Also, pair programming?  Come on, really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think respect is the key in any team environment.  The beauty of development is if you are doing it, you will learn new things, like it or not, and it will shape and improve both individual developers and the team.  Also, pair programming?  Come on, really?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexia</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-83836</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BJ

I agree that sometimes you are the smart one in your team.  

However, from my experience, people who are smarter than the rest of their team members are still polite and respectful and puts forth the effort to help other team members in better ways than the ones James mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BJ</p>
<p>I agree that sometimes you are the smart one in your team.  </p>
<p>However, from my experience, people who are smarter than the rest of their team members are still polite and respectful and puts forth the effort to help other team members in better ways than the ones James mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexia</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-83833</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@brian
&quot;...It sounds to me like a programmer got thrown into your team that was far far above your teams mediocre abilities and pissed on your parade from a great height, and now youâ€™re crying.&quot;

First of all, any smart programmer would accept that agile does work even if he doesn&#039;t believe in it.  It doesn&#039;t necessarily work for everyone, its just a methodology amongst the few out there that just works.

Also, just because he listed a few qualities of a bad team member, doesn&#039;t necessarily mean he&#039;s a bad programmer or necessarily smarter than anyone else.  But if you can&#039;t be a team player, then you have no business being on a team.

Besides, if you&#039;ve never worked with one of those, then you don&#039;t know what the word &quot;HELL&quot; means, unless you&#039;re that kind of person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@brian<br />
&#8220;&#8230;It sounds to me like a programmer got thrown into your team that was far far above your teams mediocre abilities and pissed on your parade from a great height, and now youâ€™re crying.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, any smart programmer would accept that agile does work even if he doesn&#8217;t believe in it.  It doesn&#8217;t necessarily work for everyone, its just a methodology amongst the few out there that just works.</p>
<p>Also, just because he listed a few qualities of a bad team member, doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean he&#8217;s a bad programmer or necessarily smarter than anyone else.  But if you can&#8217;t be a team player, then you have no business being on a team.</p>
<p>Besides, if you&#8217;ve never worked with one of those, then you don&#8217;t know what the word &#8220;HELL&#8221; means, unless you&#8217;re that kind of person.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexia</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-83831</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Miklos H

True, they can&#039;t outsource ERP customization to India, but they sure can move the entire company there, which means...they won&#039;t need you anymore ;).  Trust me, its happened to a few of my friends.

However, I do know and work with a lot introverts who are great programmers and the best people, but somehow manages to fit in with the extraverts.  I think that James is just trying to point out the qualities of a toxic member, which if you&#039;ve ever had to deal with one is a PAIN IN THE ASS!!!!!!!

Also, if you&#039;ve ever met James Carr in person, you&#039;re definitely wrong in your judgement against him.  He&#039;s neither a shameless careerist or a saint, just a very bright man who likes to dig deeper than the average programmer, especially a toxic one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Miklos H</p>
<p>True, they can&#8217;t outsource ERP customization to India, but they sure can move the entire company there, which means&#8230;they won&#8217;t need you anymore <img src='http://blog.james-carr.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Trust me, its happened to a few of my friends.</p>
<p>However, I do know and work with a lot introverts who are great programmers and the best people, but somehow manages to fit in with the extraverts.  I think that James is just trying to point out the qualities of a toxic member, which if you&#8217;ve ever had to deal with one is a PAIN IN THE ASS!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Also, if you&#8217;ve ever met James Carr in person, you&#8217;re definitely wrong in your judgement against him.  He&#8217;s neither a shameless careerist or a saint, just a very bright man who likes to dig deeper than the average programmer, especially a toxic one.</p>
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		<title>By: James Carr</title>
		<link>http://blog.james-carr.org/2008/08/18/how-to-not-fit-in-on-a-development-team/#comment-83830</link>
		<dc:creator>James Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BJ 

Good point! I think at that point it&#039;s no longer assumption... if you really are the smartest or the brightest on the team then your team should be leveraging that.

If a developer is in the spot that his/her team doesn&#039;t recognize that they really are the smartest on the team, either they aren&#039;t really that smart, haven&#039;t proved themselves, or team politics/feuds are at work that are symptoms of far worse things than how well they meld with the team. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BJ </p>
<p>Good point! I think at that point it&#8217;s no longer assumption&#8230; if you really are the smartest or the brightest on the team then your team should be leveraging that.</p>
<p>If a developer is in the spot that his/her team doesn&#8217;t recognize that they really are the smartest on the team, either they aren&#8217;t really that smart, haven&#8217;t proved themselves, or team politics/feuds are at work that are symptoms of far worse things than how well they meld with the team. <img src='http://blog.james-carr.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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